• livus@kbin.social
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    1 year ago

    knowing there’s a 25% chance they’ll be giving their lives for you?

    There isn’t. The person above is using a misleading stat, based on a misunderstanding of the stats.

    Look at how many people are in the photos of the climbers all stepping over Mohammed Hassan here.

    In common sense terms if this bizarre “25% die” stat were real, at least a dozen of them would have died that same day.

    @grahamsz
    @bernieecclestoned @dulce_3t_decorum_3st @JohnEdwa

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      Yes, that’s obviously taking the lifetime K2 deaths and dividing by the summit attempts - though actually I get 19% in that situation. However we really dont have enough data to form a good confidence interval there - it’s possible we’ve had a lucky few years or maybe we’ve got better at deciding when to make the summit attempts.

      But it doesn’t really change my point. There’s some threshold where it seems fundamentally immoral to hire someone for a job that has a good chance of killing them. Mountain porter on k2 or everest is a higher risk job than “astronaut” without the same glory that comes with the space faring job title. Even if the chance of death is 1 in 200, I still think its immoral to take advantage of someone who’s so desperate for work that they’ll overlook it.

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        1 year ago

        Definitely. I may not agree with your stats but I agree that it’s immoral to take advantage of people’s poverty - in this case he was motivated by his mother’s medical bills - to make them risk their lives, especially given it’s in order to help do a recreational activity that has no use.