A few examples include s*x questions on askreddit, “this” comments, nolife powermods, jokes being more frequent than actual answers
Anyone who comments “this”, “holup”, or “came here to say this” can go fuck themselves.
Now Holup, I came here to say this. Have my updoot kind internet stranger.
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This
I may have a look at the code for some of the Lemmy clients to see if I can add a filter in for these types of comments to either hide the comment or automatically block the user (extreme)
If you can’t even get yourself to write the word sex, the questions on askreddit were probably not the issue…
Needlessly censoring words like sex. It wasn’t necessary on Reddit and it certainly isn’t necessary now.
Censorship like that was introduced to make the platform appealing to advertisers. I’d say just don’t give power over how to run the platform to advertisers.
I find it absolutely mind blowing that people are generally accepting that as okay on most social media platforms.
I can only assume that people don’t understand why it was brought in on YouTube and TikTok in the first place because so many people do it when it isn’t remotely necessary. If you make your living posting on social media, then fair enough, I understand you need to fall inline with the rules of the platform. But why the hell would you self censor posts you don’t make money from? Utterly ridiculous.
All they know is that The Algorithm won’t show their posts if they use those words. How anyone can understand that and not see how incredibly fucked up that is, though, I don’t know.
I agree. It’s absolutely absurd that would say something along the lines of “Fuck, I got r*ped, what do I do?”
I’m of the opinion that you shouldn’t censor any words. If you feel the need to censor it, then just don’t say it. If you want to discuss it, then be able to say it. You should be able to say something like “X called Y a nigger”.
Censoring inoffensive words like sex.
Yes, thank you. Excessive prudishness and self censoring is always an indicator to me that a community is going a weird direction.
In the last year I started noticing on Reddit people typing the ‘letter’-word and half the time I wouldn’t know what word they are referring to.
On a couple occasions I would reply asking what word they meant and they would reply that I should know, with my comment downvoted.
That reminds me of another thing I was sick of seeing, people asking a question and getting told to google it or that lmgtfy link. You would later see people in the comments mentioning that Google took them there when Googling for it.
But why clutter up a comment section asking questions you could answer with thirty seconds on a search engine? I understand the annoyance. You shouldn’t rely on other people to educate you on things that literally anyone with internet can find out with very little effort.
If it’s relevant to the discussion, that’s different, but too often it just sidetracks things.
Google is the band aid word for search engine. I’m sorry but if you don’t understand how to use a search engine maybe you… Idk shouldn’t be using the internet.
You obviously know how to scroll down the page on a forum like Reddit and here, but when seeing search results you’re somehow suddenly helpless?
Come on.
I’ve been amazed at how much “profanity” I’ve seen on Lemmy “all” page already… 6 hours in
Outrage bait. Too much of reddit was stories and videos of people acting badly.
Reddit became too America focused. Most of the posts were about America or assumed everyone reading was American. It felt very exclusionary.
I saw this complaint on reddit a lot, but at the end of the day, it was a US based site. Of course there will be mostly Americans and they will default to that understanding.
Also, the US is a large country. It’s not like Europe where you’re a day trip away from 5 other countries. Most Americans can’t afford travel outside the US, so they only have exposure to the many cultures within the US.
The hate Americans get for not catering discussion on a US based site to the global community is really what’s strange.
Most Americans can’t afford travel outside the US, so they only have exposure to the many cultures within the US.
You can travel in a straight line over land 2700 miles from Washington to Florida without leaving the United States. Make a foray into Canada and you can travel a 4300 mile long straight line from Alaska to Florida without leaving a country that speaks majority English.
I haven’t heard that before, but yeah, the US is huge.
I’m pretty sure that if you visit all states and provinces, it would be a lot more than 4300 miles
True that. I was just looking at straight lines (or what “straight line” is when you’re traveling across a sphere)
The hate Americans get for not catering discussion on a US based site to the global community is really what’s strange.
I just want y’all to stop saying shit like “oh xyz is like 20$ right now” like it’s just as cheap everywhere else in the world.
Thanks for your 2 cents.
My other irk is the next group that assumes everyone who isn’t American must be from Europe.
Europe was just an example, though they do tend to be the most unjustly hateful of Americans.
I appreciate that. What bugs me is when people don’t read the name of the sub they’re in though - if it’s askUK or casualuk then maybe it’s not the place to talk about America, particularly when it’s an advice thread about laws for example.
Just some self awareness would be good.
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I’m curious, which part is a myth? I only see facts and not all of them paint America as great.
These things exist elsewhere, besides. Just not always in “the West.”
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Let me simplify this. Would you go to a forum with an address in .ar and complain that the discussion doesn’t pertain to you? You wouldn’t, but you are just blindly hateful of Americans for whatever reason.
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America is far from a monolith. Our states roughly equate to different European countries with vastly different cultures, foods, rights and laws.
We just speak dialects that are almost all the same and roll up under one political entity. It is not so dissimilar than the EU, otherwise.
We are, in many practical terms a forced confederation with a shared Constitution. There are those, like in the EU, who want out.
Edit: the shared single language is one of our under-recognized super-powers. I can travel this huge land mass and communicate viably everywhere. It is key to our cultural impact. It is accidental, but helpful to us. Except when we have people who dislike our impact and become hostile.
Which Americans are you talking to? We know there are other countries and cultures. We just aren’t responsible for learning deeply about all of them. No one is.
You’re using some strong, broad strokes that aren’t reflective of my experience at all.
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The above is one example.
You don’t have a high ground, here.
I am learning those things… hell, I’m studying a completely different language and learning the history.
I think I’m not who you think I am.
That’s just a demographics game. Most reddit users live in the US.
Depends how you define user. If I am googling for answers to a problem and find it on Reddit, am I a user?
It’s also a company that’s based on the US.
I think this will remain a problem on any platform that includes enough Americans. The general public in America just seems unaware of anything outside America.
I think this stems from their education system, what they (don’t) broadcast on mass-media and how normal and even laudable they consider fanatical nationalism to be (did you know they require children to swear devotion to the nation state every day at school!?).
In any case, I don’t think this is a problem that any platform that wants to include Americans can avoid.
(did you know they require children to swear devotion to the nation state every day at school!?).
Untrue. Happens in some areas, but far from universal. However, it is weird (self-loathing american reporting).
It’s also that it’s legitimately unusual to travel to another country more than once or twice before you’re an adult because of the geography.
It’s also extremely expensive and honestly most of us don’t get enough PTO to do that really. Shitposting online is cheap and easily distracts from how Americans work more hours on average than even Japan.
But it’s always ironic to see people upset Americans don’t understand other nationalities while also not understanding why we’re like this.
I mean, the same geographic constraints are true of Australia, New Zealand and Canada but they don’t have anything near the level of insularity.
Geographic constraints yet, economic constraints not as much
Well I think ideally that’s what different instances should help. I’m on a Canadian instance with a lot of Canadian specific communities. I’ve seen instances of many other specific countries. That should theoretically counter that whole experience on Reddit
Lemmy.ca is full of em!
Which honestly has been one of my favourite features of Lemmy so far. I can browse All to see what everyone is talking about, I can browse Subscribed to see what I care about and I can browse Local to see what Canadians care about.
And the arrogance about it was unbelievable, it was extremely common behaviour.
Christ, yes. Every other comment or post was something that assumed everyone was in the USA, or that they were the greatest most perfect wonderful nation and all others are basically hell on earth.
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Literally full of shit lmao. Who on reddit mainstream is talking about how the US is the greatest place on Earth.
Usually its the entire other way around where Reddit is acting like the apocalypse is about to start at any point.
Here’s a new one for this thread. “People who complain about Americans over the dumbest things”. It’s straight up like you have a chip on your shoulder.
Complaining about Americans is possibly the most reddit thing ever, lmao, regardless of where the user is from.
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But that were some good opportunities to dunk on the world epicenter, i’ve always took them
What id like to see on Lemmy is less America-hate… Or just hating on countries in general. Hatable humans live in countries, let’s talk about them instead of everybody in that country. “Gunshot story? Must be America!” Gets old really quick
I hate many countries, USA included. But not the people. Heck I even hate my own country.
The thing is, the people don’t run those countries.
But, also I do need to mention that the laws that are being made do affect the society and their ideas.
This, nationalism is just the worst. You’ve achieved nothing by being born in a certain country, waving that flag around proudly thinking you’re superior to anyone else is just something i can’t understand.
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Nice try, American person.
I’m a linux developer of 25+ years and I’m permanently banned from /r/linux because I dared criticize systemd.
My answer is therefore: Power-tripping mods. Where mods are required, ensure the community has the ability to oust them.
I don’t get the issue with sex questions. If people enjoy reading them and answering them why should anyone stop them. If you don’t like them, don’t click the thread.
I might be in the minority, but shitpost memes like “I’ll draw a shitty picture every day until x happens” or “I’ll do this based on Y upvotes”, and the “here’s a random hotdog/Gatorade bottle everyday”. I know I can probably just block these kinds of posts, I just never got the appeal of it.
Anyone commenting “My sweet summer child.”.
This. And people commenting “This.”
Ohhh, my sweet summer child…
Right, that’s it. I’m going back to Reddit
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I’d say people worrying about Karma.
this /s
I was going to post that you’re lucky you included the /s, but I just realized we don’t have karma so it doesn’t matter anyways. Such a nice feeling…
Fuck that /s If you’re unable to grasp context without it then just move on to a different discussion.
I get the objective need for the /s in this particular context, but we absolutely should add “using /s when the sarcasm should be obvious for anyone with basic reading comprehension skills” to the list
I don’t agree,
/sis immensely useful for neurodivergent people, some of which cannot recognize sarcasm at all.Also, really often something that is “obvious sarcasm” for you is a genuinely held belief by someone online. Nothing is too ridiculous for the internet
Maybe internet forums aren’t the best place for people that can’t recognize context.
Why should we exclude neurodiverse people from a space when it’s easy enough to make it accessible?
Apparently reddit and lemmy are the only places they socialize, so whatever.
No but they’re here (and we should be being as inclusive as possible if we want Lemmy to be successful), so it makes no sense to shut the doors on them just because a couple of people don’t like seeing /s .
Do you active dislike neurodiverse people or you just prefer to surround you only with people you can relate to?
Just because you don’t care about certain groups of people who are not actively damaging for the world, that doesn’t mean that they should be excluded from here.
As someone who is incredibly tone deaf in written conversation, please don’t get rid of the /s. It really does help
Sadly, I understand your point, but feel that I need to remind you of Poe’s Law. I think the /s is required because shit is all too real
karma (or upvotes-downvotes aka simple karma) shouldn’t be a reason to disallow someone from using a lemmy community
I don’t know what form of karma Wander meant, but for me the “global karma” numbers are the worst part of reddit. People constantly posting stupid things or self-censoring to try to make number go up.
Requiring minimum positive karma is stupid when it can be gamed so easily.
Someone with very negative karma is likely a troll.
upvoted to give you more karma
Is there even a total karma counter anywhere at all?
Not on Lemmy but there is on kbin (it’s called “reputation”, I think). I’m hoping it doesn’t get implemented here, but I guess we can see if it negatively affects kbin content as we’ve got a direct comparison.
What exactly was the karma problem? I never saw it being a huge issue
It becomes an issue if you imagine people on social media do what they do for karma in the same way people in real life do what they do for money.
In other words, if you have a deficient or extremely narrow theory of mind, you will think karna is the cause of everything
Edit: Well, thanks for the gold kind stranger!
Allowing racists and fascists a seat at the table under the guise of ‘fairness’ or ‘free speech’. Reddit became polluted with far-right astroturfing in the last six years.
It is not tolerance to welcome those persons who seek to harm you.
We cannot tolerate intolerance.
That’s a paradox. You cannot tolerate everything. That’s why there’s no such thing as not being bigoted. It’s literally impossible to tolerate everything.
You just have to pick what things you’re not going to tolerate. Now if only we could always agree on what that is.
Intolerance. Intolerance is the one thing you don’t tolerate. It being a rhetorical paradox doesn’t mean it’s difficult to implement.
It absolutely is because there are things that you where you cannot tolerate both oposing viewpoints. There’s also things that you do not want to tolerate.
Unless you believe it’s not okay to be intolerant of murder.
I hope that helps illustrate how it’s not just a rhetorical paradox. It’s a conceptual one too. Much of the time, it’s not tolerance vs intolerance. It’s picking between two flavors of intolerance.
Well I mean if you’re expanding the argument to things as well, then yeah, it becomes rather unwieldy. But if you constrain it to intolerance for people, then it remains rather simple.
Not at all. I’m not talking about just things. I’m also talking about about people.
It is not simple to determine the extent to which to tolerate different groups of people. Unless you’re saying that you want to be equally tolerant of murderers, races, all religions, and people who like pineapple on pizza.
Murder falls under intolerance. Religion can exist without being intolerant, but often doesn’t. The smell test really is pretty simple: if you’re not actively hurting someone besides yourself, you should be tolerated. Along with that, we decide that intolerance for other reasons (ie, because of a person’s genetic makeup or mode of expression) is itself harmful.
Now we can find tune and dicker about where that line of injury is, and of course there are special cases where the alleged hurt is spread around and it’s hard to decide how to adjudicate that, but that’s what the law and all its apparatus is for, after all.
Reddit was full of racists even back in the early 2010s. /r/Coontown was a prime example of that.
Whether or not it’s tolerance isn’t directly important.
The mistake that people make is assuming that tolerance is inherently good. It is to a certain degree, but there are many things that you do not want to tolerate. That’s where we want to be.
However, many people think of themselves as tolerant and find it difficult to make that conceptual realization.
Everyone should familiarize themselves with the paradox of tolerance if they haven’t already.
In the last 6 years? If anything, reddit got less tolerant of the far right since inception, it just became a bigger deal when they banned them in the last 6 years
You believe what you want to. Nothing I say is going to convince you, random internet person.
I had used reddit since the near beginning, and over time the prevalence of ‘alternative facts’ and other right-wing narratives has risen sharply. You also have communities like r/conservative that participate in open calls to violence and perpetuate right wing dogwhistles for maximum rage bait. The sheer slide of r/politicalcompassmemes going from people role-playing different ideologies to thinly-veiled alt-right propaganda speaks to this shift.
Catering to conservatives and right wing players results in the enshittification of the website.
I think that generally the internet got more of those types of people and they got louder, reddit used to have subreddits whose names were just slurs or subreddits blatantly dedicated to racism. The idea of a “dogwhistle” on reddit didn’t exist because the racists just said and did racist things without fear of being banned.
Yeah, you’re both right. There’s less outright hate now, but more propaganda.
Political Compass Memes is the Fox News version of fair and balanced. It’s intended to convert people with a thin veil of “both sides”. And that thin veil will be enough for a lot of impressionable kids.
Well yeah, to continue with the fire metaphor, it’s hard to put out a fire once you’ve already let it get out of hand. PLENTY of people were warning about those communities before they grew into the mob that stormed the capital, for example. Reddit only stepped in and did something about them when it became a bad look for them to let them keep shitting on the lawn.
I’ll counter and say that calling anyone you disagree with a racist/fascist in order to feel superior.
That shit was rampant on Reddit and seems to be slowly creeping into Lemmy as well.
Lol never mind, I guess it’s rampant here as well.
I know you think you’re being clever, but you see it in almost every front page thread on Reddit.
Your post history is public.
Not sure how you think any of those comments are some sort of gotcha.
Explain how they are racist/facist instead of just being an emotional child who follows the hive mind.
Also, like a typical Reddit user, you will dig through someone’s post history to find something to discredit them instead of having an actual point.
A post history enables accountability, which is something a lot of people severely lack.
If you take issue with being held accountable for what you say, then perhaps you need to look at what you’re posting.
I have only read the comments here and didn’t look at your post history, because I frankly don’t care enough to, but I would imagine people are assuming you do not argue or debate in good faith. That may be an incorrect assumption, for all I know, but you’ll need to make your positions more clear to people that might feel some type of way about what you’re sayin’.Jesus Christ, this isn’t high school debate club lol
“dig through”. Man, your comment after this one is defending oil companies. And a few comments before is a ridiculous propaganda talking point.
There’s a very important reason post history is public. It makes this site harder to manipulate than 4chan. It’s so much easier for one actor to overpower 4chan it’s ridiculous. A Reddit operation is still certainly possible, but much more challenging.
Lol defending oil companies. You guys are ridiculous.
I guess pointing out how supply and demand works is “defending oil companies”.
If that’s an issue that actually affects you often enough to complain about it, maybe, uh, maybe you should, idunno, search your soul or something.
You know what they say about someone who is always complaining that every room smells like dog shit when he walks into it.
I never said people called me racist. I was a Reddit lurker. But you see it all over the place and unfortunately here too.
Such a sad way to live, constantly filled with anger and hatred.
Don’t be so quick to dismiss people’s anger. It comes from a place of their own truth. They probably have a good reason for it. Acknowledge the truth first and then address the complaint.
I’ll give you that, but it unfortunately leads to a lot of prejudice and antisocial behavior.
My comment is a perfect example. All I said was that people shouldn’t call others facist/racist, and that was all it took for everyone to assume that I am.
I’ll grant that it is often used as a thought-terminating cliché, and we should all be judicious it its use. But sometimes you just call something what it is.
And 90% of the time it is exactly that.
Mmm, this might be a you problem.
I’ve never been called either in nearly 12 years on Reddit (and being plenty active with ~120k comment karma).
Maybe if you often get called that you should re-evaluate your opinions?
Not in my experience; you just have to interact with the right people and they’ll sling those accusations around like mashed potatoes in a food fight.
brother I got called a racist for saying a football (soccer) player who happens to be black is shite
and football fans are way less trigger happy with accusations of racism than americans seem to be, even if they themselves are american for some reasonWow there’s a lot of weird baggage in this comment.
are you doing what the other guy that is getting downvoted is talking about? 🤔
or wait did i misunderstand
You are a fascist.
It’s easy to blend in when you blindly follow the narrative.
As if there is ever one “the” narrative. We’re all following narratives, brother.
Yeah, same. I think they doth protest too much lol
what? reddit was an american “left” “look at how good of a person i am for hating on racists and pedophile” (like congrats?) circlejerk
the racists and fascists were contained in their subreddits and were ignorableThey shouldn’t have even had those and they weren’t ‘contained’
maybe if you were actively looking for them or are very easy on the trigger of calling people racist, yeah they weren’t contained I guess
Apathy toward intolerance only allows it to fester. You don’t walk past a pile of embers and shrug just because nothing’s currently on fire.
im sure banning those communities will end racism
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they almost always were in their own little corner
there’s no protecting minorities if they choose to go to racist places
on the typical subreddits mods or even the admins themselves were fast to remove comments or posts so they were “protected”
I’m sure installing fire hydrants in cities will end structure fires.
well if you want to compare people to fires be my guest
Growth for growths sake.
Not just at a platform level but at a community level too. Around 6 or 7 years ago I started to really notice people talking about growing their subreddits, making changes and tools designed to increase the subscriber count.
For what? There’s nothing to gain.
The main subreddit I modded finally became impossible to moderate for quality when, despite our lack of “growth strategy”, the influx of new users became too much for the communitys culture to persist and it slowly turned into a lowest-common-denominator topic-flavoured meme ghetto. And from the outside I saw many of my favourite subreddits fall to the same scenario.
So I would say, we should avoid or rethink the idea of growing lemmy for its own sake. Eternal September will come eventually, lets not rush it
Making all these posts on Lemmy be about another site.
The community won’t flourish if the only thing people are talking about is their social-media ex.
To make the ex metaphor. Talking shit about your ex is not productive but talking about what was wrong or didn’t work can be very insightful. Entirely blocking your ex out of your mind is a pretty easy way to make the same mistakes again.
I can see why people think it’s annoying but I think this is also a good thing. Talking about this helps people understand what they want to see in their communities or instances.
Pushing the metaphor even further, all my stuff isn’t even moved out of the ex’s house yet, so I’ll probably want to keep talking about them until the situation is over. It’s just going to take a little time.
I think we need to give it some time. I was not there when Digg went bad but I’m assuming that in the early days of Reddit, there was a lot of discussion about Digg. Once Reddit reached a critical mass, posts about Digg died down.
There’s a lot of discussion about Twitter imploding too. It’s not just that it’s an ex for most of us. It’s also the tech implosion.
Also Meta wants to join the fediverse with Threads.
A lot of it is just people talking about their social media ex, but it IS part of a larger discussion about taking the internet back from corporations.
Wait, Threads is supposed to be a Fediverse thing? I’ll admit, I kinda noped on it as soon as I heard Meta was behind it, but how does the Fediverse fit into all this?
exactly what happened but with the addition of some redditors being pissed off that we all jumped onto Reddit.
It’s the currently trending topic for pretty much everyone here. It will die down by itself eventually as it becomes old news.
I mean, a good chunk of the content on reddit came from Twitter or Facebook or 4chan, if not one of the many other sites that also scrape from those places. And after the Digg exodus, there was a lot of discussion about that too.
This is normal. This is just growing pains.
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It took years for Reddit to stop bitching about Digg all the time. Hopefully, we will get over this phase quicker than that.
For the moment, I personally find this feedback valuable. We are starting something new, and a part of figuring out what we want to look like is acknowledging what we don’t want to look like.
Obtuse comment, a vast majority of people have no self-awareness. Its good to discuss things.
That is why I posted. To bring awareness that it is happening, and self awareness, and suggest that things can be done another way.
