That’s an interesting idea, but I feel that it overcomplicates things without much benefit.
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That’s an interesting idea, but I feel that it overcomplicates things without much benefit.
I apologize if I’ve offended you, as that wasn’t my intention — I’m only trying to understand your opinion. I’m aware that we have different opinions, I’m just curious what your rationale is for yours.
replying in individual comments is stupid and more confusing.
For clarity, would you mind explicitly stating why you believe that atomic comments are intrinsically more confusing?
you should look at a website called Kialo. I haven’t used it in years and I don’t know if it’s active but it’s an interesting concept based very much on that idea
Ah yeah, I’ve heard of that site. It definitely seems interesting, but I’m not too keen on getting invested in another centralized/non-fediverse service.
New comments have to be approved
Hrm, this feels like it has immense potential for administrative abuse.
I can definitely see the service’s potential, but I would like to see something like it that can connect with the Fediverse.
For sure. What the aforementioned bits of information provide is the ability to be confident in the privacy of software if one were to treat it as a black box, ie an average consumer.
Hm, I feel that it’s inaccurate to say “we wouldn’t be able to tell”. It’s not exactly a black box system — the app would have to run on an operating system, and if you are able to know what the operating system is doing, and what instructions are being executed by the CPU, then you can know exactly what the app is doing.
What the aforementioned bits of information provide is the ability to treat software as a black box and be sure of its safety without having to fundamentally audit it.
If this is in reply to the second quote, then I’m not really sure what point you are trying to make. You appear to be opposed to atomic comments because you don’t want to scroll for context, but the alternative, which I outlined, is a comment containing quotes for context — and to solve what you are describing, you would require the entire thread to be contained within the comment, which would still require scrolling. Neither option really addresses your complaint. Imo, atomic comments come the closest, as the scope is kept restricted per thread.
You could have support for this thing in the board’s software, but I don’t think it’s common. So normally, where a post will have at least a header, sometimes also a footer, multiple posts means duplicated data on screen. Pretty minor though.
Support for what? I’m not entirely sure what you are referring to with this section.
I think it fragments the workflow a bit because normally you can just quote a block and easily interject your replies + add more quote syntax. If it were multiple posts you’d need to repeat certain steps each time. Personally I want to minimize switches between keyboard and mouse. On mobile it’s more even.
That’s a fair point. Replies do sometimes rely on fragments of information from the entire post, but, even still, one could still just contain that within an atomic reply, but yeah, it would need to be repeated for each part. Personally I’m not bothered by the increase in actions. Generally, one isn’t commenting in a large enough volume for that sort of efficiency concern to really matter, imo.
Yeah, take a look at the solution at the top of the post.
I generally try and pick few of the strongest points and reply to those.
This is one possibility, but it’s quite flawed, as you end up losing portions of the conversation.
It’s impossible to debate someone who replies back as you demonstrated above.
It may require more effort, but it’s far from impossible. And that’s precisely the reason why I outlined the second alternative that has atomic comments.
I’m not sure if they count as underrated, but the band that immediately comes to mind is The Dear Hunter.
Windows -> Ubuntu -> Arch Linux
Ahh, the good ol’ sunk cost fallacy.
FreshRSS supports HTTP authentication, and there’s an open issue for adding OAuth support.
Without it being open source and not providing reproducible builds, the privacy claims are borderline weightless.
It is rare for any signle point in an opinion to stand on its own as an atomic unit.
But if it does, wouldn’t it be better for it to be its own comment?
A reader would need to jump through a thread to follow your line of reasoning in its entirety.
But isn’t that what already happens? The only specific relevant difference is that, currently each comment in the thread could contain any number of individual arguments happening simultaneously.
it is the mutual reinforcement of several points in agreement with each other that will educate or convince someone.
This is a fair point — I hadn’t considered this.
It just clutters things up
How so? Are you just referring to the sheer number of comments as being clutter? I would argue that it’s cleaner as there is less of a need of large comments and extensive utilization of quotes. Ideally, one comment would receive one direct reply without any extra formatting.
It […] makes referencing the points and counter-points later more difficult if they’re all spread out in multiple replies instead of just 1.
How so? Everything is still contained in a threaded hierarchy (assuming that one isn’t using something like Mastodon, or Lemmy-UI’s Chat feature in the comment section). If the comments are contained within scope/context, relevant information to the thread shouldn’t be spread out. The relevant information should be contained within the path of the n-ary tree.
If the conversation is at the point where you are replying to replies, and you’ve sent me three rebuttals with each of them asking for clarification or verification from me, I’m now sending 3-6 replies back, which may require you to send 12 or more.
You are right that the amount of comments would grow rather quickly (exponentially, I think), but the threads, themselves, should be easier to follow — there wouldn’t be multiple conversations happening within each comment.
I’d lose track of who said what and would end up referencing something from a conversation with someone else.
How come? The comments are all visually tied together in the thread hierarchy (well, assuming that one isn’t reading Lemmy content from Mastodon, or with the Chat mode in the Lemmy UI)
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