• MashedTech@lemmy.world
    433·
    6 months ago

    Look, honestly, to me at least, this horse has been dead for a 1000 years and we’ve been beating it since then. Initially I was as well, “haha funny, what is vim, so hard” and then I happened to interact with it for the first time, did a web search and all the amusement died. If it’s like this we should make fun of Ctrl+C as well because “Omg, so hard to terminate a terminal program, there is no X to click on” just because this is non standard for a user that is familiar with only the GUI. We could abstract and transform this meme 1000 times because there will always be somebody who knows how to do something and then there is something else that doesn’t work the way he/she/they/etc. are used to and searching for an answer is too hard.

    Or am I just dumb, ranting about something that doesn’t even matter because in the end there will always be new people, for which vim is new and hard and vim maybe is the most popular thing most of the new users on here have a hard time understanding. Will this meme ever evolve into something else at one point? Was there a precursor to this meme before vim or vi existed? What are other similar memes that I reacted to the same way because I find myself in a similar spot as most people find themselves with vim and I am just a hypocrite?

    TL;DR: Just disregard my useless comment, enjoy the things you want to enjoy, and be happy, you only get one life, don’t waste it getting mad at useless shit.

    • anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      35·
      6 months ago

      Started writing my own in-terminal editor recently.

      When I ran it the first time I realized that I hadn’t implemented quitting yet.

    • kurwa@lemmy.world
      7·
      6 months ago

      Now if we’re talking about vi, that’s a whole other thing. First time on a system and the git editor was set to vi, and I was like oh I know exactly how to get out of this because I know vim a bit, turns out I was wrong. It did legitimately throw me for a loop haha

    • 0x4E4F@sh.itjust.worksOPEnglish
      813·
      6 months ago

      Hey, I read man pages all that time, Vi/Vim are just unreasonably complicated. Sure, those commands had sense when there were no key modifiers available on keyboards, but in this day and age, to not at least add some shortcuts to be part of the program by default… thanks, but if I have to read a man page to exit a terminal text editor, that’s just not really my cup of tea.

      • Tau@sopuli.xyz
        161·
        6 months ago

        If you like modifier keys so much you are going to love emacs (default, not evil)

      • cyberpunk007@lemmy.world
        4·
        6 months ago

        I don’t know when or why I learned vi, but once I used it for that short period of time I got used to it and it’s just muscle memory for me now. 99% of the dime I’m using x to delete text, yy (or #yy) and dd (or #dd) or p/P to copy/delete/paste lines, or :s/oldtext/newtext/g, or :wq or :x to write and quit. That’s like basically all I ever use VI for and it’s quick and easy to do. Once you know it, like anything, it’s quite a nice editor. Of course it can do a lot more than I typically use it for.

        If you think it’s complicated, think about the first time you had to type sudo apt-get install firefox instead of googling Firefox and double clicking an executable.

        • Sanyanov@lemmy.world
          34·
          6 months ago

          You just kindly described why no one ever should use Vim :D

          Using xyzbdvefsisgshs to copy-paste a line is not the level of convenience someone expects from a modern tool

          • hisbaan@lemm.ee
            3·
            6 months ago

            Convenience is often a tradeoff for power. Nobody is claiming that vi and its derivatives are convenient, they’re saying it’s powerful.

            Personally I’m much much faster using neovim than I could be using something like vscode. There’s a myriad of other benefits that modal text editing brings to the table, not having to use a mouse and constantly switch back and forth being a big one for me.

          • jkozaka@lemm.ee
            3·
            6 months ago

            sure, but there are so many commands that are absolute godsends. one of my favourites is the c command. I can just write ct" and change all the text up to the next speech mark. and if you dislike some of the binds, make your own! (n)vi(m) is super customisable.

            just because it’s not familiar doesn’t mean it’s bad.

            • Sanyanov@lemmy.world
              1·
              6 months ago

              Fair enough.

              I guess someone can make use of this all, just not regular users. Besides, the controls are very legacy and it would make sense to make an updated version just to keep it more in line with tools people are used to and generally enhance user experience.

          • cyberpunk007@lemmy.world
            1·
            6 months ago

            By that logic get away from Linux, eventually you’ll have to touch a shell and google some things to find out what to type inside a terminal. It’s not hard to learn i for insert and type stuff and esc to get out, colon x to save and quit. If you can’t remember those 3 steps you can’t even update your system on a command line lol.

            sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade sudo pacman -Syyu

            Etc. 3+ things to remember in each example.